Obedience
The master Bankei's talks were attended not only by Zen students but by persons of all ranks and sects. He never quoted sutras nor indulged in scholastic dissertations. Instead, his words were spoken directly from his heart to the hearts of his listeners.
His large audiences angered a priest of the Nichiren sect because the adherents had left to hear about Zen. The self-centered Nichiren priest came to the temple, determined to debate with Bankei.
"Hey, Zen teacher!" he called out. "Wait a minute. Whoever respects you will obey what you say, but a man like myself does not respect you. Can you make me obey you?"
"Come up beside me and I will show you," said Bankei.
Proudly the priest pushed his way through the crowd to the teacher.
Bankei smiled. "Come over to my left side."
The priest obeyed.
"No," said Bankei, "we may talk better if you are on the right side. Step over here."
The priest proudly stepped over to the right
"You see," observed Bankei, "you are obeying me and I think you are a very gentle person. Now sit down and listen."
All the Zen Stories posted here, come from www.101zenstories.com.
Monday, December 31, 2007
Friday, December 28, 2007
Zen Story - 3
Is That So?
The Zen master Hakuin was praised by his neighbors as one living a pure life.
A beautiful Japanese girl whose parents owned a food store lived near him. Suddenly, without any warning, her parents discovered she was with child.
This made her parents very angry. She would not confess who the man was, but after much harassment at last named Hakuin.
In great anger the parents went to the master. "Is that so?" was all he would say.
After the child was born it was brought to Hakuin. By this time he had lost his reputation, which did not trouble him, but he took very good care of the child. He obtained milk from his neighbors and everything else the little one needed.
A year later the girl-mother could stand it no longer. She told her parents the truth - that the real father of the child was a young man who worked in the fishmarket.
The mother and father of the girl at once went to Hakuin to ask his forgiveness, to apologize at length, and to get the child back again.
Hakuin was willing. In yielding the child, all he said was: "Is that so?"
All the Zen Stories posted here, come from www.101zenstories.com.
The Zen master Hakuin was praised by his neighbors as one living a pure life.
A beautiful Japanese girl whose parents owned a food store lived near him. Suddenly, without any warning, her parents discovered she was with child.
This made her parents very angry. She would not confess who the man was, but after much harassment at last named Hakuin.
In great anger the parents went to the master. "Is that so?" was all he would say.
After the child was born it was brought to Hakuin. By this time he had lost his reputation, which did not trouble him, but he took very good care of the child. He obtained milk from his neighbors and everything else the little one needed.
A year later the girl-mother could stand it no longer. She told her parents the truth - that the real father of the child was a young man who worked in the fishmarket.
The mother and father of the girl at once went to Hakuin to ask his forgiveness, to apologize at length, and to get the child back again.
Hakuin was willing. In yielding the child, all he said was: "Is that so?"
All the Zen Stories posted here, come from www.101zenstories.com.
Sunday, December 23, 2007
Zen Story - 2
Finding a Diamond on a Muddy Road
Gudo was the emperor's teacher of his time. Nevertheless, he used to travel alone as a wandering mendicant. Once when he was on his was to Edo, the cultural and political center of the shogunate, he approached a little village named Takenaka. It was evening and a heavy rain was falling. Gudo was thoroughly wet. His straw sandals were in pieces. At a farmhouse near the village he noticed four or five pairs of sandals in the window and decided to buy some dry ones.
The woman who offered him the sandals, seeing how wet he was, invited him in to remain for the night at her home. Gudo accepted, thanking her. He entered and recited a sutra before the family shrine. He then was introduced to the woman's mother, and to her children. Observing that the entire family was depressed, Gudo asked what was wrong.
"My husband is a gambler and a drunkard," the housewife told him. "When he happens to win he drinks and becomes abusive. When he loses he borrows money from others. Sometimes when he becomes thoroughly drunk he does not come home at all. What can I do?"
I will help him," said Gudo. "Here is some money. Get me a gallon of fine wine and something good to eat. Then you may retire. I will meditate before the shrine."
When the man of the house returned about midnight, quite drunk, he bellowed: "Hey, wife, I am home. Have you something for me to eat?"
"I have something for you," said Gudo. "I happened to get caught in the rain and your wife kindly asked me to remain here for the night. In return I have bought some wine and fish, so you might as well have them."
The man was delighted. He drank the wine at once and laid himself down on the floor. Gudo sat in meditation beside him.
In the morning when the husband awoke he had forgotten about the previous night. "Who are you? Where do you come from?" he asked Gudo, who still was meditating.
"I am Gudo of Kyoto and I am going on to Edo," replied the Zen master.
The man was utterly ashamed. He apologized profusely to the teacher of his emperor.
Gudo smiled. "Everything in this life is impermanent," he explained. "Life is very brief. If you keep on gambling and drinking, you will have no time left to accomplish anything else, and you will cause your family to suffer too."
The perception of the husband awoke as if from a dream. "You are right," he declared. "How can I ever repay you for this wonderful teaching! Let me see you off and carry your things a little way."
"If you wish," assented Gudo.
The two started out. After they had gone three miles Gudo told him to return. "Just another five miles," he begged Gudo. They continued on.
"You may return now," suggested Gudo.
"After another ten miles," the man replied.
"Return now," said Gudo, when the ten miles had been passed.
"I am going to follow you all the rest of my life," declared the man.
Modern Zen teachers in Japan spring from the lineage of a famous master who was the successor of Gudo. His name was Mu-nan, the man who never turned back.
All the Zen Stories posted here, come from www.101zenstories.com.
Gudo was the emperor's teacher of his time. Nevertheless, he used to travel alone as a wandering mendicant. Once when he was on his was to Edo, the cultural and political center of the shogunate, he approached a little village named Takenaka. It was evening and a heavy rain was falling. Gudo was thoroughly wet. His straw sandals were in pieces. At a farmhouse near the village he noticed four or five pairs of sandals in the window and decided to buy some dry ones.
The woman who offered him the sandals, seeing how wet he was, invited him in to remain for the night at her home. Gudo accepted, thanking her. He entered and recited a sutra before the family shrine. He then was introduced to the woman's mother, and to her children. Observing that the entire family was depressed, Gudo asked what was wrong.
"My husband is a gambler and a drunkard," the housewife told him. "When he happens to win he drinks and becomes abusive. When he loses he borrows money from others. Sometimes when he becomes thoroughly drunk he does not come home at all. What can I do?"
I will help him," said Gudo. "Here is some money. Get me a gallon of fine wine and something good to eat. Then you may retire. I will meditate before the shrine."
When the man of the house returned about midnight, quite drunk, he bellowed: "Hey, wife, I am home. Have you something for me to eat?"
"I have something for you," said Gudo. "I happened to get caught in the rain and your wife kindly asked me to remain here for the night. In return I have bought some wine and fish, so you might as well have them."
The man was delighted. He drank the wine at once and laid himself down on the floor. Gudo sat in meditation beside him.
In the morning when the husband awoke he had forgotten about the previous night. "Who are you? Where do you come from?" he asked Gudo, who still was meditating.
"I am Gudo of Kyoto and I am going on to Edo," replied the Zen master.
The man was utterly ashamed. He apologized profusely to the teacher of his emperor.
Gudo smiled. "Everything in this life is impermanent," he explained. "Life is very brief. If you keep on gambling and drinking, you will have no time left to accomplish anything else, and you will cause your family to suffer too."
The perception of the husband awoke as if from a dream. "You are right," he declared. "How can I ever repay you for this wonderful teaching! Let me see you off and carry your things a little way."
"If you wish," assented Gudo.
The two started out. After they had gone three miles Gudo told him to return. "Just another five miles," he begged Gudo. They continued on.
"You may return now," suggested Gudo.
"After another ten miles," the man replied.
"Return now," said Gudo, when the ten miles had been passed.
"I am going to follow you all the rest of my life," declared the man.
Modern Zen teachers in Japan spring from the lineage of a famous master who was the successor of Gudo. His name was Mu-nan, the man who never turned back.
All the Zen Stories posted here, come from www.101zenstories.com.
Thursday, December 20, 2007
Zen Story - 1
A Cup of Tea
Nan-in, a Japanese master during the Meiji era (1868-1912), received a university professor who came to inquire about Zen.
Nan-in served tea. He poured his visitor's cup full, and then kept on pouring.
The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could restrain himself. "It is overfull. No more will go in!"
"Like this cup," Nan-in said, "you are full of your own opinions and speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?"
All the Zen Stories posted here, come from 101 Zen Stories.
Nan-in, a Japanese master during the Meiji era (1868-1912), received a university professor who came to inquire about Zen.
Nan-in served tea. He poured his visitor's cup full, and then kept on pouring.
The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could restrain himself. "It is overfull. No more will go in!"
"Like this cup," Nan-in said, "you are full of your own opinions and speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?"
All the Zen Stories posted here, come from 101 Zen Stories.
Wednesday, December 19, 2007
My First Lisp Program
For the last few days, I'm reading the famous book name "Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs" by Harold Abelson and Gerald Jay Sussman. The books is available online: Link
This is my first lisp program to compute Factorial:
(define (fact x)
(cond
((= x 1) 1)
((> x 1) (* x (fact (- x 1))))
)
)
This is my first lisp program to compute Factorial:
(define (fact x)
(cond
((= x 1) 1)
((> x 1) (* x (fact (- x 1))))
)
)
Want to See My Friend Stalin ....
I'm getting addicted to Kolangal(Sun TV Serial). It is mainly because of Stalin.
Yes.... He is coming there, I could see his Big Fat, Black, Half-Clown face in it. He is coming as Tholar Balakrishnan. He talks in pure Tamil and talks a lot abt Classical Tamil, Social Worker.
Anybody who has seen Stalin will agree with me. Now, Stalin will be in some remote corner of U.S.A. hacking into his computer. Not aware of whom I'm comparing him with.
Yes.... He is coming there, I could see his Big Fat, Black, Half-Clown face in it. He is coming as Tholar Balakrishnan. He talks in pure Tamil and talks a lot abt Classical Tamil, Social Worker.
Anybody who has seen Stalin will agree with me. Now, Stalin will be in some remote corner of U.S.A. hacking into his computer. Not aware of whom I'm comparing him with.
Monday, December 17, 2007
The Three Ants
Three ants met on the nose of a man who was asleep in the sun. And after they had saluted one another, each according to the custom of his tribe, they stood there conversing.
The first ant said, "These hills and plains are the most barren I have known. I have searched all day for a grain of some sort, and there is none to be found."
Said the second ant, "I too have found nothing, though I have visited every nook and glade. This is, I believe, what my people call the soft, moving land where nothing grows."
Then the third ant raised his head and said, "My friends, we are standing now on the nose of the Supreme Ant, the mighty and infinite Ant, whose body is so great that we cannot see it, whose shadow is so vast that we cannot trace it, whose voice is so loud that we cannot hear it; and He is omnipresent."
When the third ant spoke thus the other ants looked at each other and laughed.
At that moment the man moved and in his sleep raised his hand and scratched his nose, and the three ants were crushed.
The first ant said, "These hills and plains are the most barren I have known. I have searched all day for a grain of some sort, and there is none to be found."
Said the second ant, "I too have found nothing, though I have visited every nook and glade. This is, I believe, what my people call the soft, moving land where nothing grows."
Then the third ant raised his head and said, "My friends, we are standing now on the nose of the Supreme Ant, the mighty and infinite Ant, whose body is so great that we cannot see it, whose shadow is so vast that we cannot trace it, whose voice is so loud that we cannot hear it; and He is omnipresent."
When the third ant spoke thus the other ants looked at each other and laughed.
At that moment the man moved and in his sleep raised his hand and scratched his nose, and the three ants were crushed.
The Two Learned Men
Last Week I got a Omnibus of Khalil Gibran, at a random read I got this.
The Two Learned Men
==================
Once there lived in the ancient city of Afkar two learned men who hated and belittled each other's learning. For one of them denied the existence of the gods and the other was a believer.
One day the two met in the marketplace, and amidst their followers they began to dispute and to argue about the existence or the non-existence of the gods. And after hours of contention they parted.
That evening the unbeliever went to the temple and prostrated himself before the altar and prayed the gods to forgive his wayward past.
And the same hour the other learned man, he who had upheld the gods, burned his sacred books. For he had become an unbeliever.
The Two Learned Men
==================
Once there lived in the ancient city of Afkar two learned men who hated and belittled each other's learning. For one of them denied the existence of the gods and the other was a believer.
One day the two met in the marketplace, and amidst their followers they began to dispute and to argue about the existence or the non-existence of the gods. And after hours of contention they parted.
That evening the unbeliever went to the temple and prostrated himself before the altar and prayed the gods to forgive his wayward past.
And the same hour the other learned man, he who had upheld the gods, burned his sacred books. For he had become an unbeliever.
Thursday, December 13, 2007
Programming Books with Category
From the Bottom Up
This list is in the best reading order I could find. It’s not necessarily easiest to
hardest, but based on subject matter.
• Programming from the Ground Up by Jonathan Bartlett
• Introduction to Algorithms by Thomas H. Cormen, Charles E. Leiserson, and Ronald L. Rivest
• The Art of Computer Programming by Donald Knuth (3 volume set - volume 1 is the most important)
• Programming Languages by Samuel N. Kamin
• Modern Operating Systems by Andrew Tanenbaum
• Linkers and Loaders by John Levine
• Computer Organization and Design: The Hardware/Software Interface by David Patterson and John Hennessy
From the Top Down
These books are arranged from the simplest to the hardest. However, they can be
read in any order you feel comfortable with.
• How to Design Programs by Matthias Felleisen, Robert Bruce Findler, Matthew Flatt, and Shiram Krishnamurthi, available online at http://www.htdp.org/
• Simply Scheme: An Introduction to Computer Science by Brian Harvey and Matthew Wright
• How to Think Like a Computer Scientist: Learning with Python by Allen
Downey, Jeff Elkner, and Chris Meyers, available online at http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/
• Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs by Harold Abelson and Gerald Jay Sussman with Julie Sussman, available online at http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/
• Design Patterns by Erich Gamma, Richard Helm, Ralph Johnson, and John Vlissides
• What not How: The Rules Approach to Application Development by Chris Date
• The Algorithm Design Manual by Steve Skiena
• Programming Language Pragmatics by Michael Scott
• Essentials of Programming Languages by Daniel P. Friedman, Mitchell Wand, and Christopher T. Haynes
From the Middle Out
Each of these is the best book on its subject. If you need to know these languages,
these will tell you all you need to know.
• Programming Perl by Larry Wall, Tom Christiansen, and Jon Orwant
• Common LISP: The Language by Guy R. Steele
• ANSI Common LISP by Paul Graham
• The C Programming Language by Brian W. Kernighan and Dennis M. Ritchie
• The C++ Primer by Stanley Lippman
• The C++ Programming Language by Bjarne Stroustrup
• Thinking in Java by Bruce Eckel, available online at http://www.mindview.net/Books/TIJ/
• The Scheme Programming Language by Kent Dybvig
• Linux Assembly Language Programming by Bob Neveln
Specialized Topics
These books are the best books that cover their topic. They are thorough and
authoritative. To get a broad base of knowledge, you should read several outside of
the areas you normally program in.
• Practical Programming - Programming Pearls and More Programming Pearls by Jon Louis Bentley
• Databases - Understanding Relational Databases by Fabian Pascal
• Project Management - The Mythical Man-Month by Fred P. Brooks
• UNIX Programming - The Art of UNIX Programming by Eric S. Raymond, available online at http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taoup/
• UNIX Programming - Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment by W.Richard Stevens
• Network Programming - UNIX Network Programming (2 volumes) by W.Richard Stevens
• Generic Programming - Modern C++ Design by Andrei Alexandrescu
• Compilers - The Art of Compiler Design: Theory and Practice by Thomas Pittman and James Peters
• Compilers - Advanced Compiler Design and Implementation by Steven Muchnick
• Development Process - Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code by Martin Fowler, Kent Beck, John Brant, William Opdyke, and Don Roberts
• Typesetting - Computers and Typesetting (5 volumes) by Donald Knuth
• Cryptography - Applied Cryptography by Bruce Schneier
• Linux - Professional Linux Programming by Neil Matthew, Richard Stones, and 14 other people
• Linux Kernel - Linux Device Drivers by Alessandro Rubini and Jonathan Corbet
• Open Source Programming - The Cathedral and the Bazaar: Musings on Linux and Open Source by an Accidental Revolutionary by Eric S. Raymond
• Computer Architecture - Computer Architecture: A Quantitative Approach by David Patterson and John Hennessy
Further Resources on Assembly Language
In assembly language, your best resources are on the web.
• http://www.linuxassembly.org/ - a great resource for Linux assembly language programmers
• http://www.sandpile.org/ - a repository of reference material on x86, x86-64, and compatible processors
• http://www.x86.org/ - Dr. Dobb’s Journal Microprocessor Resources
• http://www.drpaulcarter.com/pcasm/ - Dr. Paul Carter’s PC Assembly Language
• http://webster.cs.ucr.edu/ - The Art of Assembly Home Page
• http://www.intel.com/design/pentium/manuals/ - Intel’s manuals for their processors
• http://www.janw.easynet.be/ - Jan Wagemaker’s Linux assembly language examples
• http://www.azillionmonkeys.com/qed/asm.html - Paul Hsieh’s x86 Assembly Page
This list is in the best reading order I could find. It’s not necessarily easiest to
hardest, but based on subject matter.
• Programming from the Ground Up by Jonathan Bartlett
• Introduction to Algorithms by Thomas H. Cormen, Charles E. Leiserson, and Ronald L. Rivest
• The Art of Computer Programming by Donald Knuth (3 volume set - volume 1 is the most important)
• Programming Languages by Samuel N. Kamin
• Modern Operating Systems by Andrew Tanenbaum
• Linkers and Loaders by John Levine
• Computer Organization and Design: The Hardware/Software Interface by David Patterson and John Hennessy
From the Top Down
These books are arranged from the simplest to the hardest. However, they can be
read in any order you feel comfortable with.
• How to Design Programs by Matthias Felleisen, Robert Bruce Findler, Matthew Flatt, and Shiram Krishnamurthi, available online at http://www.htdp.org/
• Simply Scheme: An Introduction to Computer Science by Brian Harvey and Matthew Wright
• How to Think Like a Computer Scientist: Learning with Python by Allen
Downey, Jeff Elkner, and Chris Meyers, available online at http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/
• Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs by Harold Abelson and Gerald Jay Sussman with Julie Sussman, available online at http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/
• Design Patterns by Erich Gamma, Richard Helm, Ralph Johnson, and John Vlissides
• What not How: The Rules Approach to Application Development by Chris Date
• The Algorithm Design Manual by Steve Skiena
• Programming Language Pragmatics by Michael Scott
• Essentials of Programming Languages by Daniel P. Friedman, Mitchell Wand, and Christopher T. Haynes
From the Middle Out
Each of these is the best book on its subject. If you need to know these languages,
these will tell you all you need to know.
• Programming Perl by Larry Wall, Tom Christiansen, and Jon Orwant
• Common LISP: The Language by Guy R. Steele
• ANSI Common LISP by Paul Graham
• The C Programming Language by Brian W. Kernighan and Dennis M. Ritchie
• The C++ Primer by Stanley Lippman
• The C++ Programming Language by Bjarne Stroustrup
• Thinking in Java by Bruce Eckel, available online at http://www.mindview.net/Books/TIJ/
• The Scheme Programming Language by Kent Dybvig
• Linux Assembly Language Programming by Bob Neveln
Specialized Topics
These books are the best books that cover their topic. They are thorough and
authoritative. To get a broad base of knowledge, you should read several outside of
the areas you normally program in.
• Practical Programming - Programming Pearls and More Programming Pearls by Jon Louis Bentley
• Databases - Understanding Relational Databases by Fabian Pascal
• Project Management - The Mythical Man-Month by Fred P. Brooks
• UNIX Programming - The Art of UNIX Programming by Eric S. Raymond, available online at http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taoup/
• UNIX Programming - Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment by W.Richard Stevens
• Network Programming - UNIX Network Programming (2 volumes) by W.Richard Stevens
• Generic Programming - Modern C++ Design by Andrei Alexandrescu
• Compilers - The Art of Compiler Design: Theory and Practice by Thomas Pittman and James Peters
• Compilers - Advanced Compiler Design and Implementation by Steven Muchnick
• Development Process - Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code by Martin Fowler, Kent Beck, John Brant, William Opdyke, and Don Roberts
• Typesetting - Computers and Typesetting (5 volumes) by Donald Knuth
• Cryptography - Applied Cryptography by Bruce Schneier
• Linux - Professional Linux Programming by Neil Matthew, Richard Stones, and 14 other people
• Linux Kernel - Linux Device Drivers by Alessandro Rubini and Jonathan Corbet
• Open Source Programming - The Cathedral and the Bazaar: Musings on Linux and Open Source by an Accidental Revolutionary by Eric S. Raymond
• Computer Architecture - Computer Architecture: A Quantitative Approach by David Patterson and John Hennessy
Further Resources on Assembly Language
In assembly language, your best resources are on the web.
• http://www.linuxassembly.org/ - a great resource for Linux assembly language programmers
• http://www.sandpile.org/ - a repository of reference material on x86, x86-64, and compatible processors
• http://www.x86.org/ - Dr. Dobb’s Journal Microprocessor Resources
• http://www.drpaulcarter.com/pcasm/ - Dr. Paul Carter’s PC Assembly Language
• http://webster.cs.ucr.edu/ - The Art of Assembly Home Page
• http://www.intel.com/design/pentium/manuals/ - Intel’s manuals for their processors
• http://www.janw.easynet.be/ - Jan Wagemaker’s Linux assembly language examples
• http://www.azillionmonkeys.com/qed/asm.html - Paul Hsieh’s x86 Assembly Page
The Argument
An interesting argument.... between XXX and YYY ....
Guess, who is XXX and YYY ..... ?
XXX (1:34:20 PM): Do not deceive yourselves. If any one of you thinks he is wise by the standards of this age, he should become a "fool" so that he may become wise. 19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight.
YYY (1:34:57 PM): All I'm talking is science
YYY (1:35:04 PM): nothing more than that
XXX (1:35:18 PM): yes you're talking about unprovable science
YYY (1:35:49 PM): I don't believe in any Dogma
XXX (1:36:51 PM): I don't believe in any science that is unprovable and is only a theory
XXX (1:37:24 PM): And dont call theory as a science. its theory and NOT science
YYY (1:37:31 PM): yes, every scientist/science had this problem
YYY (1:37:58 PM): people just want to stick to thier confortable thinking
XXX (1:38:08 PM): Yes thats what I say to you too
YYY (1:38:10 PM): they just don't think out of the box
XXX (1:38:23 PM): You wouldn't like to consider what I am saying bgut stcking on to your own
XXX (1:38:52 PM): And I say again, if you have verifiable proof to what you say I will consider. But talk theory as science
XXX (1:39:00 PM): I mean Dont talk
YYY (1:40:07 PM): once upon a time, man going to moon is also called impossible and not proven
YYY (1:40:15 PM): but time changed
XXX (1:40:19 PM): Yea talk it after you prove
XXX (1:40:28 PM): dont talk before you prove
YYY (1:40:32 PM): It is not for you
YYY (1:40:51 PM): you should have common sense to buy it or not
XXX (1:41:19 PM): You told about science and what you're saying is only theory
XXX (1:41:42 PM): I just need common sense to differentiate what u're talking is science or theory
YYY (1:41:54 PM): yes, first it will be theory and then it will become science
XXX (1:41:54 PM): And call theory as theory and science as science. dont mix both
XXX (1:42:06 PM): Hmm...
YYY (1:42:13 PM): se the history
XXX (1:42:21 PM): Good hope...
YYY (1:42:26 PM): for you too
XXX (1:42:39 PM): what shud I see in history?
YYY (1:42:45 PM): atleast science can be proven
YYY (1:42:52 PM): but not god
XXX (1:42:58 PM): yea thats what I say prove it
YYY (1:43:01 PM): god can't be proved
XXX (1:43:12 PM): Dont force your thing on others before u prove
YYY (1:43:36 PM): there is no god
XXX (1:43:46 PM): There is no evolution
YYY (1:44:49 PM): XXX, did you have biology in your studies ?
YYY (1:45:00 PM): in 10th standard
YYY (1:45:09 PM): which group in +2 are you ?
XXX (1:45:17 PM): why u're asking
YYY (1:45:31 PM): for "XXX (1:43:46 PM): There is no evolution"
XXX (1:45:42 PM): Yes there is no evolution
XXX (1:46:07 PM): Thats because it appears in some science text books, it is not science
YYY (1:46:13 PM): go back to your schooling
XXX (1:46:23 PM): I was never given proof
YYY (1:46:35 PM): did you write the exam ?
XXX (1:46:41 PM): yes...
YYY (1:47:00 PM): did you give the answer abt evolution ?
XXX (1:47:11 PM): No, it wasn't asked :)
YYY (1:47:11 PM): or you answered it differently ?
YYY (1:47:26 PM): ok, atleast you studied
XXX (1:47:32 PM): No either
XXX (1:47:41 PM): I asked you for proof you have any?
YYY (1:48:14 PM): Answer: go for schooling
YYY (1:48:18 PM): one more time
XXX (1:48:20 PM): It requires me great faith to believe something came out of nothing than to believe something came out of something
YYY (1:48:51 PM): it is not something came out of nothing
XXX (1:49:11 PM): mmm
XXX (1:49:20 PM): How did the universe came into existence then?
YYY (1:49:33 PM): then god is also nothing ????
YYY (1:49:53 PM): God came from Nothing ?
XXX (1:50:41 PM): God created time, space, matter. All that I see now. God hasn't given me the intelligence to comprehend beyond this. When I meet him I will find it out
YYY (1:51:08 PM): my question is simply
YYY (1:51:15 PM): who created GOD
YYY (1:51:31 PM): do you have answer ?
XXX (1:51:35 PM): My question is who created universe?
XXX (1:51:39 PM): do you have answer?
YYY (1:52:24 PM): Universe came out of Big Bang
YYY (1:52:47 PM): do you have any such theory ?
YYY (1:52:50 PM): for GOD
XXX (1:53:06 PM): who created big bang?
XXX (1:53:15 PM): Or who initiated
XXX (1:53:24 PM): and how did matter come into existence
YYY (1:53:32 PM): XXX, I answered yours
YYY (1:53:37 PM): you answer mine
XXX (1:53:39 PM): Not yet
YYY (1:53:43 PM): who create GOD
XXX (1:53:46 PM): Who initiated big bang
XXX (1:53:56 PM): How did matter come into existence
YYY (1:53:57 PM): atleast give some theory ?
XXX (1:54:14 PM): You didn't answer mine.
YYY (1:54:15 PM): you don't have any ?
XXX (1:54:22 PM): you answer me then I will
XXX (1:54:52 PM): You give me a thory for big band and the existence of matter then I will
YYY (1:55:03 PM): XXX
YYY (1:55:15 PM): the basis of any religion is GOD
XXX (1:55:22 PM): forget that
XXX (1:55:31 PM): I am talking abt big bang and matter
XXX (1:55:34 PM): tell me first
YYY (1:55:36 PM): but you don't know who create your GOD
XXX (1:55:51 PM): And you dont know how matter came into existence
YYY (1:55:52 PM): does it not given in your Book ?
XXX (1:56:09 PM): tell me first
XXX (1:56:44 PM): Is there any proof in the entire universe where matter came out of nothing?
XXX (1:56:55 PM): You at least need a photon dude!
XXX (1:57:12 PM): And how did the first photon originate?
YYY (1:57:12 PM): at least Science have some answers, but religion dont have any ???
XXX (1:57:20 PM): What answer??
XXX (1:57:30 PM): You asked me abt God and I asked you about matter
XXX (1:57:43 PM): It is more correct to say that both have no answer
YYY (1:58:27 PM): atleast science is digging deeper
YYY (1:58:32 PM): but religion is not
YYY (1:58:39 PM): it is blind
XXX (1:58:41 PM): yes dig deep and tell me how matter came into existence
XXX (1:58:58 PM): Atleast science is blind too in terms of origin of matter
XXX (1:59:04 PM): That is primary to any science
YYY (1:59:07 PM): atleast you can see matter
YYY (1:59:17 PM): but can you see god ???
YYY (1:59:23 PM): ok
YYY (1:59:27 PM): I don't see any god
XXX (1:59:29 PM): I am not asking abt matter, I am asking abt its origin
XXX (1:59:39 PM): I can see God's creation for sure
YYY (2:00:00 PM): but who is god ?
YYY (2:00:07 PM): do you say
YYY (2:00:14 PM): MATTER = GOD ?
XXX (2:00:16 PM): Isn't it best to conclude that both of us follow religion
XXX (2:00:21 PM): NO
XXX (2:00:31 PM): Matter is God's creation
YYY (2:00:35 PM): GOD create WORLD
YYY (2:00:49 PM): WORLD is made up of MATTER
YYY (2:00:58 PM): so GOD = MATTER
XXX (2:01:04 PM): Hey I admit mine is religion will you admit yours? If not give me proof of origin of matter
YYY (2:01:43 PM): matter and energy always existed
YYY (2:01:47 PM): like your GOD
XXX (2:01:50 PM): hmm
XXX (2:01:55 PM): Isn't it religion
XXX (2:02:07 PM): aren't both of us following religion?
YYY (2:02:10 PM): if it is religion
XXX (2:02:14 PM): Why do u call ur religion science?
YYY (2:02:18 PM): you will chatting like this
YYY (2:02:33 PM): there might have been no invention
YYY (2:02:36 PM): nothing
XXX (2:02:38 PM): hmm
YYY (2:02:45 PM): we will in complete darkness
XXX (2:02:47 PM): Isaac Newton wrote abt God more than science
YYY (2:03:11 PM): and Einstien also
YYY (2:03:16 PM): carl sagan also
YYY (2:03:26 PM): everybody
YYY (2:03:29 PM): I also
YYY (2:03:31 PM): I say
YYY (2:03:36 PM): MATTER = GOD
YYY (2:03:51 PM): Matter create the world
XXX (2:03:53 PM): This is ur assumption dude
XXX (2:03:58 PM): Who created matter
XXX (2:04:28 PM): I dont know who created God and you dont know the origin of matter
YYY (2:04:35 PM): does your God is male or female ?
XXX (2:04:36 PM): We both are following religion
XXX (2:04:54 PM): That doesn't matter and it is outside of our context
YYY (2:05:03 PM): what is he made out of
YYY (2:05:10 PM): flesh ?
XXX (2:05:21 PM): Man answer mine I already told you I dont know
XXX (2:05:38 PM): Now only you'd have to admit you dont know too
YYY (2:05:52 PM): are you making any progress to research into
XXX (2:06:02 PM): Are you?
YYY (2:06:16 PM): we we are researching into matter
XXX (2:06:23 PM): hmm any findings?
YYY (2:06:25 PM): are you researching into god ?
YYY (2:06:27 PM): yes
YYY (2:06:29 PM): a lot
XXX (2:06:33 PM): tell me whats latest
YYY (2:06:50 PM): read abt String Theory
YYY (2:06:56 PM): what abt god ?
XXX (2:07:02 PM): hmm
XXX (2:07:13 PM): what does it tell about the origin of matter?
YYY (2:08:33 PM): matter composed of bosons, Glue balls
YYY (2:08:34 PM): etc
YYY (2:08:42 PM): what is God made up of ?
XXX (2:08:52 PM): how did boson originate
YYY (2:08:54 PM): water
YYY (2:08:56 PM): fire ?
YYY (2:09:00 PM): earth
YYY (2:09:10 PM): which chemical compoent
XXX (2:10:12 PM): how diod boson originate
XXX (2:10:21 PM): and which chemical component it contains?
YYY (2:10:32 PM): now, tell me something abt your god
YYY (2:10:52 PM): do he eat to live
YYY (2:10:53 PM): ?
XXX (2:10:58 PM): I said I don't know. Only you seem to be telling you know everything. Thats why I am asking you
XXX (2:11:14 PM): how did boson originate?
YYY (2:11:19 PM): research it
XXX (2:11:19 PM): What it is composed of?
YYY (2:11:35 PM): XXX, as I told you
YYY (2:11:47 PM): scientist are studing it
YYY (2:12:00 PM): we still have long way to go
XXX (2:12:26 PM): hmm... we've already researched for 100 years and still we dont know how matter and God originated
XXX (2:12:35 PM): I mean life, not god
XXX (2:12:53 PM): And any chances of finding that are 50/50
XXX (2:13:15 PM): Say for now that whatever you have is theory and don't claim it as science
YYY (2:13:59 PM): atleast we are going into that path of finding the origin of matter
XXX (2:14:20 PM): But where are you getting at?
YYY (2:14:21 PM): can you tell me, is there is any research going on for GOD
XXX (2:14:22 PM): No where
XXX (2:15:07 PM): Scientists would never even accept the notion of God existing and how do you expect them to research God?
YYY (2:15:19 PM): atleast did you make any attempt ??
XXX (2:15:20 PM): But if you want you can individually research him
YYY (2:15:36 PM): oh .. my god
YYY (2:15:49 PM): you don't know anything abt god
XXX (2:16:06 PM): I can tell you God exists and I spoke to him today morning but you wont believe it unless you know it personally
XXX (2:16:16 PM): And yes you dont know anything about the origin of matter
YYY (2:16:17 PM): thru phone ?
YYY (2:16:27 PM): do you have his number ?
YYY (2:16:36 PM): do you cann heaven ?
YYY (2:16:54 PM): do you call heaven ?
XXX (2:16:55 PM): Do you really think you're speaking logic?
YYY (2:17:03 PM): LOGIC
YYY (2:17:06 PM): my god
YYY (2:17:16 PM): XXX is speaking abt LOGIC
XXX (2:17:29 PM): Yes YYY too is talking abt it.. My God
YYY (2:17:30 PM): LOGIC says GOD=NOTHING
YYY (2:17:37 PM): do you take it ?
XXX (2:17:47 PM): Logic says something should create something
YYY (2:17:54 PM): It take SCIENCE=NOTHING
XXX (2:17:55 PM): do u take it?
YYY (2:18:00 PM): what abt you ?
YYY (2:18:07 PM): I take it
YYY (2:18:12 PM): science=nothing
YYY (2:18:17 PM): do you take
YYY (2:18:22 PM): god=nothing ?
YYY (2:18:27 PM): by LOGIC
XXX (2:18:37 PM): what do u mean by science is nothing?
YYY (2:19:29 PM): XXX, do you believe in miracles ?
XXX (2:19:45 PM): do you?
YYY (2:19:59 PM): answer me, first
YYY (2:20:04 PM): do you or not
XXX (2:20:07 PM): yes
YYY (2:20:10 PM): ok
YYY (2:20:18 PM): then don't talk abt LOGIC
XXX (2:21:23 PM): ok I never said I believe in logic. But since you believe I asked whether the questions you asked are logical?
YYY (2:24:41 PM): XXX, you are a contradiction
YYY (2:24:48 PM): either you hold
YYY (2:24:53 PM): Miracle
YYY (2:24:57 PM): or hold
YYY (2:25:06 PM): Logic
XXX (2:25:13 PM): ok do u believe in logic?
XXX (2:25:24 PM): Anyway we are deviating from topic
YYY (2:25:27 PM): ha ha ha ...
XXX (2:25:47 PM): You asked me some questions and I asked you whether they were logical
YYY (2:25:54 PM): Science created logic
XXX (2:26:06 PM): And of course u're definition of logic is different from mine
YYY (2:26:17 PM): No way
YYY (2:26:25 PM): Logic is same for all
XXX (2:26:35 PM): No it depends on your belief
YYY (2:26:38 PM): there is no Your Logic and My Logic
YYY (2:27:00 PM): do interchange Logic and Belief
XXX (2:27:01 PM): I believe God is all powerful and all knowing. He can do miracles. And that is logical
XXX (2:27:18 PM): If you belive in God it becomes logical if not it isnt
YYY (2:27:28 PM): Miracle is not Logical
XXX (2:27:44 PM): God does miracle because he has power and this is logical
YYY (2:28:33 PM): how many watt power ?
YYY (2:28:54 PM): you said:XXX (2:17:47 PM): Logic says something should create something
YYY (2:29:17 PM): now you say God can create something without something
YYY (2:29:30 PM): I mean Miracle
XXX (2:29:34 PM): But I said I dont believe in ur opinion of logic
YYY (2:29:47 PM): there is no "opinion of logic"
YYY (2:29:52 PM): there is only Logic
XXX (2:30:01 PM): The power is not measured by watts... It is similar to ur brain power
XXX (2:30:08 PM): hmm
YYY (2:30:10 PM): either you tautologies or contradict
XXX (2:30:17 PM): If God is all powerful he can do miracles
YYY (2:32:00 PM): Brain is a matter XXX
YYY (2:32:12 PM): it has chemical reaction
YYY (2:32:31 PM): what is that "Powerful" means
XXX (2:32:53 PM): Powerful to do anything
XXX (2:33:08 PM): Now if you ask me about Go, I have already told you I dont know.
XXX (2:33:27 PM): I believe he is all powerful all knowing and with that I can logically conclude he can do miracles
XXX (2:33:38 PM): But only you're not trying to admit you dont know
XXX (2:33:45 PM): Mine is a religion I admit
XXX (2:33:52 PM): And yours?
YYY (2:34:08 PM): You mean he is a Super computer who create the world
YYY (2:34:17 PM): and controls all events ?
XXX (2:34:17 PM): I said I dont know
YYY (2:34:28 PM): may be he is ?
XXX (2:34:34 PM): Since you seem to know everything can we talk about yours?
"Silence is an argument carried out by other means."
- Che Guevara (favorite Quote of Karadi)
Guess, who is XXX and YYY ..... ?
XXX (1:34:20 PM): Do not deceive yourselves. If any one of you thinks he is wise by the standards of this age, he should become a "fool" so that he may become wise. 19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight.
YYY (1:34:57 PM): All I'm talking is science
YYY (1:35:04 PM): nothing more than that
XXX (1:35:18 PM): yes you're talking about unprovable science
YYY (1:35:49 PM): I don't believe in any Dogma
XXX (1:36:51 PM): I don't believe in any science that is unprovable and is only a theory
XXX (1:37:24 PM): And dont call theory as a science. its theory and NOT science
YYY (1:37:31 PM): yes, every scientist/science had this problem
YYY (1:37:58 PM): people just want to stick to thier confortable thinking
XXX (1:38:08 PM): Yes thats what I say to you too
YYY (1:38:10 PM): they just don't think out of the box
XXX (1:38:23 PM): You wouldn't like to consider what I am saying bgut stcking on to your own
XXX (1:38:52 PM): And I say again, if you have verifiable proof to what you say I will consider. But talk theory as science
XXX (1:39:00 PM): I mean Dont talk
YYY (1:40:07 PM): once upon a time, man going to moon is also called impossible and not proven
YYY (1:40:15 PM): but time changed
XXX (1:40:19 PM): Yea talk it after you prove
XXX (1:40:28 PM): dont talk before you prove
YYY (1:40:32 PM): It is not for you
YYY (1:40:51 PM): you should have common sense to buy it or not
XXX (1:41:19 PM): You told about science and what you're saying is only theory
XXX (1:41:42 PM): I just need common sense to differentiate what u're talking is science or theory
YYY (1:41:54 PM): yes, first it will be theory and then it will become science
XXX (1:41:54 PM): And call theory as theory and science as science. dont mix both
XXX (1:42:06 PM): Hmm...
YYY (1:42:13 PM): se the history
XXX (1:42:21 PM): Good hope...
YYY (1:42:26 PM): for you too
XXX (1:42:39 PM): what shud I see in history?
YYY (1:42:45 PM): atleast science can be proven
YYY (1:42:52 PM): but not god
XXX (1:42:58 PM): yea thats what I say prove it
YYY (1:43:01 PM): god can't be proved
XXX (1:43:12 PM): Dont force your thing on others before u prove
YYY (1:43:36 PM): there is no god
XXX (1:43:46 PM): There is no evolution
YYY (1:44:49 PM): XXX, did you have biology in your studies ?
YYY (1:45:00 PM): in 10th standard
YYY (1:45:09 PM): which group in +2 are you ?
XXX (1:45:17 PM): why u're asking
YYY (1:45:31 PM): for "XXX (1:43:46 PM): There is no evolution"
XXX (1:45:42 PM): Yes there is no evolution
XXX (1:46:07 PM): Thats because it appears in some science text books, it is not science
YYY (1:46:13 PM): go back to your schooling
XXX (1:46:23 PM): I was never given proof
YYY (1:46:35 PM): did you write the exam ?
XXX (1:46:41 PM): yes...
YYY (1:47:00 PM): did you give the answer abt evolution ?
XXX (1:47:11 PM): No, it wasn't asked :)
YYY (1:47:11 PM): or you answered it differently ?
YYY (1:47:26 PM): ok, atleast you studied
XXX (1:47:32 PM): No either
XXX (1:47:41 PM): I asked you for proof you have any?
YYY (1:48:14 PM): Answer: go for schooling
YYY (1:48:18 PM): one more time
XXX (1:48:20 PM): It requires me great faith to believe something came out of nothing than to believe something came out of something
YYY (1:48:51 PM): it is not something came out of nothing
XXX (1:49:11 PM): mmm
XXX (1:49:20 PM): How did the universe came into existence then?
YYY (1:49:33 PM): then god is also nothing ????
YYY (1:49:53 PM): God came from Nothing ?
XXX (1:50:41 PM): God created time, space, matter. All that I see now. God hasn't given me the intelligence to comprehend beyond this. When I meet him I will find it out
YYY (1:51:08 PM): my question is simply
YYY (1:51:15 PM): who created GOD
YYY (1:51:31 PM): do you have answer ?
XXX (1:51:35 PM): My question is who created universe?
XXX (1:51:39 PM): do you have answer?
YYY (1:52:24 PM): Universe came out of Big Bang
YYY (1:52:47 PM): do you have any such theory ?
YYY (1:52:50 PM): for GOD
XXX (1:53:06 PM): who created big bang?
XXX (1:53:15 PM): Or who initiated
XXX (1:53:24 PM): and how did matter come into existence
YYY (1:53:32 PM): XXX, I answered yours
YYY (1:53:37 PM): you answer mine
XXX (1:53:39 PM): Not yet
YYY (1:53:43 PM): who create GOD
XXX (1:53:46 PM): Who initiated big bang
XXX (1:53:56 PM): How did matter come into existence
YYY (1:53:57 PM): atleast give some theory ?
XXX (1:54:14 PM): You didn't answer mine.
YYY (1:54:15 PM): you don't have any ?
XXX (1:54:22 PM): you answer me then I will
XXX (1:54:52 PM): You give me a thory for big band and the existence of matter then I will
YYY (1:55:03 PM): XXX
YYY (1:55:15 PM): the basis of any religion is GOD
XXX (1:55:22 PM): forget that
XXX (1:55:31 PM): I am talking abt big bang and matter
XXX (1:55:34 PM): tell me first
YYY (1:55:36 PM): but you don't know who create your GOD
XXX (1:55:51 PM): And you dont know how matter came into existence
YYY (1:55:52 PM): does it not given in your Book ?
XXX (1:56:09 PM): tell me first
XXX (1:56:44 PM): Is there any proof in the entire universe where matter came out of nothing?
XXX (1:56:55 PM): You at least need a photon dude!
XXX (1:57:12 PM): And how did the first photon originate?
YYY (1:57:12 PM): at least Science have some answers, but religion dont have any ???
XXX (1:57:20 PM): What answer??
XXX (1:57:30 PM): You asked me abt God and I asked you about matter
XXX (1:57:43 PM): It is more correct to say that both have no answer
YYY (1:58:27 PM): atleast science is digging deeper
YYY (1:58:32 PM): but religion is not
YYY (1:58:39 PM): it is blind
XXX (1:58:41 PM): yes dig deep and tell me how matter came into existence
XXX (1:58:58 PM): Atleast science is blind too in terms of origin of matter
XXX (1:59:04 PM): That is primary to any science
YYY (1:59:07 PM): atleast you can see matter
YYY (1:59:17 PM): but can you see god ???
YYY (1:59:23 PM): ok
YYY (1:59:27 PM): I don't see any god
XXX (1:59:29 PM): I am not asking abt matter, I am asking abt its origin
XXX (1:59:39 PM): I can see God's creation for sure
YYY (2:00:00 PM): but who is god ?
YYY (2:00:07 PM): do you say
YYY (2:00:14 PM): MATTER = GOD ?
XXX (2:00:16 PM): Isn't it best to conclude that both of us follow religion
XXX (2:00:21 PM): NO
XXX (2:00:31 PM): Matter is God's creation
YYY (2:00:35 PM): GOD create WORLD
YYY (2:00:49 PM): WORLD is made up of MATTER
YYY (2:00:58 PM): so GOD = MATTER
XXX (2:01:04 PM): Hey I admit mine is religion will you admit yours? If not give me proof of origin of matter
YYY (2:01:43 PM): matter and energy always existed
YYY (2:01:47 PM): like your GOD
XXX (2:01:50 PM): hmm
XXX (2:01:55 PM): Isn't it religion
XXX (2:02:07 PM): aren't both of us following religion?
YYY (2:02:10 PM): if it is religion
XXX (2:02:14 PM): Why do u call ur religion science?
YYY (2:02:18 PM): you will chatting like this
YYY (2:02:33 PM): there might have been no invention
YYY (2:02:36 PM): nothing
XXX (2:02:38 PM): hmm
YYY (2:02:45 PM): we will in complete darkness
XXX (2:02:47 PM): Isaac Newton wrote abt God more than science
YYY (2:03:11 PM): and Einstien also
YYY (2:03:16 PM): carl sagan also
YYY (2:03:26 PM): everybody
YYY (2:03:29 PM): I also
YYY (2:03:31 PM): I say
YYY (2:03:36 PM): MATTER = GOD
YYY (2:03:51 PM): Matter create the world
XXX (2:03:53 PM): This is ur assumption dude
XXX (2:03:58 PM): Who created matter
XXX (2:04:28 PM): I dont know who created God and you dont know the origin of matter
YYY (2:04:35 PM): does your God is male or female ?
XXX (2:04:36 PM): We both are following religion
XXX (2:04:54 PM): That doesn't matter and it is outside of our context
YYY (2:05:03 PM): what is he made out of
YYY (2:05:10 PM): flesh ?
XXX (2:05:21 PM): Man answer mine I already told you I dont know
XXX (2:05:38 PM): Now only you'd have to admit you dont know too
YYY (2:05:52 PM): are you making any progress to research into
XXX (2:06:02 PM): Are you?
YYY (2:06:16 PM): we we are researching into matter
XXX (2:06:23 PM): hmm any findings?
YYY (2:06:25 PM): are you researching into god ?
YYY (2:06:27 PM): yes
YYY (2:06:29 PM): a lot
XXX (2:06:33 PM): tell me whats latest
YYY (2:06:50 PM): read abt String Theory
YYY (2:06:56 PM): what abt god ?
XXX (2:07:02 PM): hmm
XXX (2:07:13 PM): what does it tell about the origin of matter?
YYY (2:08:33 PM): matter composed of bosons, Glue balls
YYY (2:08:34 PM): etc
YYY (2:08:42 PM): what is God made up of ?
XXX (2:08:52 PM): how did boson originate
YYY (2:08:54 PM): water
YYY (2:08:56 PM): fire ?
YYY (2:09:00 PM): earth
YYY (2:09:10 PM): which chemical compoent
XXX (2:10:12 PM): how diod boson originate
XXX (2:10:21 PM): and which chemical component it contains?
YYY (2:10:32 PM): now, tell me something abt your god
YYY (2:10:52 PM): do he eat to live
YYY (2:10:53 PM): ?
XXX (2:10:58 PM): I said I don't know. Only you seem to be telling you know everything. Thats why I am asking you
XXX (2:11:14 PM): how did boson originate?
YYY (2:11:19 PM): research it
XXX (2:11:19 PM): What it is composed of?
YYY (2:11:35 PM): XXX, as I told you
YYY (2:11:47 PM): scientist are studing it
YYY (2:12:00 PM): we still have long way to go
XXX (2:12:26 PM): hmm... we've already researched for 100 years and still we dont know how matter and God originated
XXX (2:12:35 PM): I mean life, not god
XXX (2:12:53 PM): And any chances of finding that are 50/50
XXX (2:13:15 PM): Say for now that whatever you have is theory and don't claim it as science
YYY (2:13:59 PM): atleast we are going into that path of finding the origin of matter
XXX (2:14:20 PM): But where are you getting at?
YYY (2:14:21 PM): can you tell me, is there is any research going on for GOD
XXX (2:14:22 PM): No where
XXX (2:15:07 PM): Scientists would never even accept the notion of God existing and how do you expect them to research God?
YYY (2:15:19 PM): atleast did you make any attempt ??
XXX (2:15:20 PM): But if you want you can individually research him
YYY (2:15:36 PM): oh .. my god
YYY (2:15:49 PM): you don't know anything abt god
XXX (2:16:06 PM): I can tell you God exists and I spoke to him today morning but you wont believe it unless you know it personally
XXX (2:16:16 PM): And yes you dont know anything about the origin of matter
YYY (2:16:17 PM): thru phone ?
YYY (2:16:27 PM): do you have his number ?
YYY (2:16:36 PM): do you cann heaven ?
YYY (2:16:54 PM): do you call heaven ?
XXX (2:16:55 PM): Do you really think you're speaking logic?
YYY (2:17:03 PM): LOGIC
YYY (2:17:06 PM): my god
YYY (2:17:16 PM): XXX is speaking abt LOGIC
XXX (2:17:29 PM): Yes YYY too is talking abt it.. My God
YYY (2:17:30 PM): LOGIC says GOD=NOTHING
YYY (2:17:37 PM): do you take it ?
XXX (2:17:47 PM): Logic says something should create something
YYY (2:17:54 PM): It take SCIENCE=NOTHING
XXX (2:17:55 PM): do u take it?
YYY (2:18:00 PM): what abt you ?
YYY (2:18:07 PM): I take it
YYY (2:18:12 PM): science=nothing
YYY (2:18:17 PM): do you take
YYY (2:18:22 PM): god=nothing ?
YYY (2:18:27 PM): by LOGIC
XXX (2:18:37 PM): what do u mean by science is nothing?
YYY (2:19:29 PM): XXX, do you believe in miracles ?
XXX (2:19:45 PM): do you?
YYY (2:19:59 PM): answer me, first
YYY (2:20:04 PM): do you or not
XXX (2:20:07 PM): yes
YYY (2:20:10 PM): ok
YYY (2:20:18 PM): then don't talk abt LOGIC
XXX (2:21:23 PM): ok I never said I believe in logic. But since you believe I asked whether the questions you asked are logical?
YYY (2:24:41 PM): XXX, you are a contradiction
YYY (2:24:48 PM): either you hold
YYY (2:24:53 PM): Miracle
YYY (2:24:57 PM): or hold
YYY (2:25:06 PM): Logic
XXX (2:25:13 PM): ok do u believe in logic?
XXX (2:25:24 PM): Anyway we are deviating from topic
YYY (2:25:27 PM): ha ha ha ...
XXX (2:25:47 PM): You asked me some questions and I asked you whether they were logical
YYY (2:25:54 PM): Science created logic
XXX (2:26:06 PM): And of course u're definition of logic is different from mine
YYY (2:26:17 PM): No way
YYY (2:26:25 PM): Logic is same for all
XXX (2:26:35 PM): No it depends on your belief
YYY (2:26:38 PM): there is no Your Logic and My Logic
YYY (2:27:00 PM): do interchange Logic and Belief
XXX (2:27:01 PM): I believe God is all powerful and all knowing. He can do miracles. And that is logical
XXX (2:27:18 PM): If you belive in God it becomes logical if not it isnt
YYY (2:27:28 PM): Miracle is not Logical
XXX (2:27:44 PM): God does miracle because he has power and this is logical
YYY (2:28:33 PM): how many watt power ?
YYY (2:28:54 PM): you said:XXX (2:17:47 PM): Logic says something should create something
YYY (2:29:17 PM): now you say God can create something without something
YYY (2:29:30 PM): I mean Miracle
XXX (2:29:34 PM): But I said I dont believe in ur opinion of logic
YYY (2:29:47 PM): there is no "opinion of logic"
YYY (2:29:52 PM): there is only Logic
XXX (2:30:01 PM): The power is not measured by watts... It is similar to ur brain power
XXX (2:30:08 PM): hmm
YYY (2:30:10 PM): either you tautologies or contradict
XXX (2:30:17 PM): If God is all powerful he can do miracles
YYY (2:32:00 PM): Brain is a matter XXX
YYY (2:32:12 PM): it has chemical reaction
YYY (2:32:31 PM): what is that "Powerful" means
XXX (2:32:53 PM): Powerful to do anything
XXX (2:33:08 PM): Now if you ask me about Go, I have already told you I dont know.
XXX (2:33:27 PM): I believe he is all powerful all knowing and with that I can logically conclude he can do miracles
XXX (2:33:38 PM): But only you're not trying to admit you dont know
XXX (2:33:45 PM): Mine is a religion I admit
XXX (2:33:52 PM): And yours?
YYY (2:34:08 PM): You mean he is a Super computer who create the world
YYY (2:34:17 PM): and controls all events ?
XXX (2:34:17 PM): I said I dont know
YYY (2:34:28 PM): may be he is ?
XXX (2:34:34 PM): Since you seem to know everything can we talk about yours?
"Silence is an argument carried out by other means."
- Che Guevara (favorite Quote of Karadi)
Wednesday, December 05, 2007
Good Quote
"Anything is possible. You can be told that you have a 90-percent chance or a 50-percent chance or a 1-percent chance, but you have to believe, and you have to fight."
Lance Armstrong
(Very good for my present situation)
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