The Argument

An interesting argument.... between XXX and YYY ....

Guess, who is XXX and YYY ..... ?

XXX (1:34:20 PM): Do not deceive yourselves. If any one of you thinks he is wise by the standards of this age, he should become a "fool" so that he may become wise. 19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight.
YYY (1:34:57 PM): All I'm talking is science
YYY (1:35:04 PM): nothing more than that
XXX (1:35:18 PM): yes you're talking about unprovable science
YYY (1:35:49 PM): I don't believe in any Dogma
XXX (1:36:51 PM): I don't believe in any science that is unprovable and is only a theory
XXX (1:37:24 PM): And dont call theory as a science. its theory and NOT science
YYY (1:37:31 PM): yes, every scientist/science had this problem
YYY (1:37:58 PM): people just want to stick to thier confortable thinking
XXX (1:38:08 PM): Yes thats what I say to you too
YYY (1:38:10 PM): they just don't think out of the box
XXX (1:38:23 PM): You wouldn't like to consider what I am saying bgut stcking on to your own
XXX (1:38:52 PM): And I say again, if you have verifiable proof to what you say I will consider. But talk theory as science
XXX (1:39:00 PM): I mean Dont talk
YYY (1:40:07 PM): once upon a time, man going to moon is also called impossible and not proven
YYY (1:40:15 PM): but time changed
XXX (1:40:19 PM): Yea talk it after you prove
XXX (1:40:28 PM): dont talk before you prove
YYY (1:40:32 PM): It is not for you
YYY (1:40:51 PM): you should have common sense to buy it or not
XXX (1:41:19 PM): You told about science and what you're saying is only theory
XXX (1:41:42 PM): I just need common sense to differentiate what u're talking is science or theory
YYY (1:41:54 PM): yes, first it will be theory and then it will become science
XXX (1:41:54 PM): And call theory as theory and science as science. dont mix both
XXX (1:42:06 PM): Hmm...
YYY (1:42:13 PM): se the history
XXX (1:42:21 PM): Good hope...
YYY (1:42:26 PM): for you too
XXX (1:42:39 PM): what shud I see in history?
YYY (1:42:45 PM): atleast science can be proven
YYY (1:42:52 PM): but not god
XXX (1:42:58 PM): yea thats what I say prove it
YYY (1:43:01 PM): god can't be proved
XXX (1:43:12 PM): Dont force your thing on others before u prove
YYY (1:43:36 PM): there is no god
XXX (1:43:46 PM): There is no evolution
YYY (1:44:49 PM): XXX, did you have biology in your studies ?
YYY (1:45:00 PM): in 10th standard
YYY (1:45:09 PM): which group in +2 are you ?
XXX (1:45:17 PM): why u're asking
YYY (1:45:31 PM): for "XXX (1:43:46 PM): There is no evolution"
XXX (1:45:42 PM): Yes there is no evolution
XXX (1:46:07 PM): Thats because it appears in some science text books, it is not science
YYY (1:46:13 PM): go back to your schooling
XXX (1:46:23 PM): I was never given proof
YYY (1:46:35 PM): did you write the exam ?
XXX (1:46:41 PM): yes...
YYY (1:47:00 PM): did you give the answer abt evolution ?
XXX (1:47:11 PM): No, it wasn't asked :)
YYY (1:47:11 PM): or you answered it differently ?
YYY (1:47:26 PM): ok, atleast you studied
XXX (1:47:32 PM): No either
XXX (1:47:41 PM): I asked you for proof you have any?
YYY (1:48:14 PM): Answer: go for schooling
YYY (1:48:18 PM): one more time
XXX (1:48:20 PM): It requires me great faith to believe something came out of nothing than to believe something came out of something
YYY (1:48:51 PM): it is not something came out of nothing
XXX (1:49:11 PM): mmm
XXX (1:49:20 PM): How did the universe came into existence then?
YYY (1:49:33 PM): then god is also nothing ????
YYY (1:49:53 PM): God came from Nothing ?
XXX (1:50:41 PM): God created time, space, matter. All that I see now. God hasn't given me the intelligence to comprehend beyond this. When I meet him I will find it out
YYY (1:51:08 PM): my question is simply
YYY (1:51:15 PM): who created GOD
YYY (1:51:31 PM): do you have answer ?
XXX (1:51:35 PM): My question is who created universe?
XXX (1:51:39 PM): do you have answer?
YYY (1:52:24 PM): Universe came out of Big Bang
YYY (1:52:47 PM): do you have any such theory ?
YYY (1:52:50 PM): for GOD
XXX (1:53:06 PM): who created big bang?
XXX (1:53:15 PM): Or who initiated
XXX (1:53:24 PM): and how did matter come into existence
YYY (1:53:32 PM): XXX, I answered yours
YYY (1:53:37 PM): you answer mine
XXX (1:53:39 PM): Not yet
YYY (1:53:43 PM): who create GOD
XXX (1:53:46 PM): Who initiated big bang
XXX (1:53:56 PM): How did matter come into existence
YYY (1:53:57 PM): atleast give some theory ?
XXX (1:54:14 PM): You didn't answer mine.
YYY (1:54:15 PM): you don't have any ?
XXX (1:54:22 PM): you answer me then I will
XXX (1:54:52 PM): You give me a thory for big band and the existence of matter then I will
YYY (1:55:03 PM): XXX
YYY (1:55:15 PM): the basis of any religion is GOD
XXX (1:55:22 PM): forget that
XXX (1:55:31 PM): I am talking abt big bang and matter
XXX (1:55:34 PM): tell me first
YYY (1:55:36 PM): but you don't know who create your GOD
XXX (1:55:51 PM): And you dont know how matter came into existence
YYY (1:55:52 PM): does it not given in your Book ?
XXX (1:56:09 PM): tell me first
XXX (1:56:44 PM): Is there any proof in the entire universe where matter came out of nothing?
XXX (1:56:55 PM): You at least need a photon dude!
XXX (1:57:12 PM): And how did the first photon originate?
YYY (1:57:12 PM): at least Science have some answers, but religion dont have any ???
XXX (1:57:20 PM): What answer??
XXX (1:57:30 PM): You asked me abt God and I asked you about matter
XXX (1:57:43 PM): It is more correct to say that both have no answer
YYY (1:58:27 PM): atleast science is digging deeper
YYY (1:58:32 PM): but religion is not
YYY (1:58:39 PM): it is blind
XXX (1:58:41 PM): yes dig deep and tell me how matter came into existence
XXX (1:58:58 PM): Atleast science is blind too in terms of origin of matter
XXX (1:59:04 PM): That is primary to any science
YYY (1:59:07 PM): atleast you can see matter
YYY (1:59:17 PM): but can you see god ???
YYY (1:59:23 PM): ok
YYY (1:59:27 PM): I don't see any god
XXX (1:59:29 PM): I am not asking abt matter, I am asking abt its origin
XXX (1:59:39 PM): I can see God's creation for sure
YYY (2:00:00 PM): but who is god ?
YYY (2:00:07 PM): do you say
YYY (2:00:14 PM): MATTER = GOD ?
XXX (2:00:16 PM): Isn't it best to conclude that both of us follow religion
XXX (2:00:21 PM): NO
XXX (2:00:31 PM): Matter is God's creation
YYY (2:00:35 PM): GOD create WORLD
YYY (2:00:49 PM): WORLD is made up of MATTER
YYY (2:00:58 PM): so GOD = MATTER
XXX (2:01:04 PM): Hey I admit mine is religion will you admit yours? If not give me proof of origin of matter
YYY (2:01:43 PM): matter and energy always existed
YYY (2:01:47 PM): like your GOD
XXX (2:01:50 PM): hmm
XXX (2:01:55 PM): Isn't it religion
XXX (2:02:07 PM): aren't both of us following religion?
YYY (2:02:10 PM): if it is religion
XXX (2:02:14 PM): Why do u call ur religion science?
YYY (2:02:18 PM): you will chatting like this
YYY (2:02:33 PM): there might have been no invention
YYY (2:02:36 PM): nothing
XXX (2:02:38 PM): hmm
YYY (2:02:45 PM): we will in complete darkness
XXX (2:02:47 PM): Isaac Newton wrote abt God more than science
YYY (2:03:11 PM): and Einstien also
YYY (2:03:16 PM): carl sagan also
YYY (2:03:26 PM): everybody
YYY (2:03:29 PM): I also
YYY (2:03:31 PM): I say
YYY (2:03:36 PM): MATTER = GOD
YYY (2:03:51 PM): Matter create the world
XXX (2:03:53 PM): This is ur assumption dude
XXX (2:03:58 PM): Who created matter
XXX (2:04:28 PM): I dont know who created God and you dont know the origin of matter
YYY (2:04:35 PM): does your God is male or female ?
XXX (2:04:36 PM): We both are following religion
XXX (2:04:54 PM): That doesn't matter and it is outside of our context
YYY (2:05:03 PM): what is he made out of
YYY (2:05:10 PM): flesh ?
XXX (2:05:21 PM): Man answer mine I already told you I dont know
XXX (2:05:38 PM): Now only you'd have to admit you dont know too
YYY (2:05:52 PM): are you making any progress to research into
XXX (2:06:02 PM): Are you?
YYY (2:06:16 PM): we we are researching into matter
XXX (2:06:23 PM): hmm any findings?
YYY (2:06:25 PM): are you researching into god ?
YYY (2:06:27 PM): yes
YYY (2:06:29 PM): a lot
XXX (2:06:33 PM): tell me whats latest
YYY (2:06:50 PM): read abt String Theory
YYY (2:06:56 PM): what abt god ?
XXX (2:07:02 PM): hmm
XXX (2:07:13 PM): what does it tell about the origin of matter?
YYY (2:08:33 PM): matter composed of bosons, Glue balls
YYY (2:08:34 PM): etc
YYY (2:08:42 PM): what is God made up of ?
XXX (2:08:52 PM): how did boson originate
YYY (2:08:54 PM): water
YYY (2:08:56 PM): fire ?
YYY (2:09:00 PM): earth
YYY (2:09:10 PM): which chemical compoent
XXX (2:10:12 PM): how diod boson originate
XXX (2:10:21 PM): and which chemical component it contains?
YYY (2:10:32 PM): now, tell me something abt your god
YYY (2:10:52 PM): do he eat to live
YYY (2:10:53 PM): ?
XXX (2:10:58 PM): I said I don't know. Only you seem to be telling you know everything. Thats why I am asking you
XXX (2:11:14 PM): how did boson originate?
YYY (2:11:19 PM): research it
XXX (2:11:19 PM): What it is composed of?
YYY (2:11:35 PM): XXX, as I told you
YYY (2:11:47 PM): scientist are studing it
YYY (2:12:00 PM): we still have long way to go
XXX (2:12:26 PM): hmm... we've already researched for 100 years and still we dont know how matter and God originated
XXX (2:12:35 PM): I mean life, not god
XXX (2:12:53 PM): And any chances of finding that are 50/50
XXX (2:13:15 PM): Say for now that whatever you have is theory and don't claim it as science
YYY (2:13:59 PM): atleast we are going into that path of finding the origin of matter
XXX (2:14:20 PM): But where are you getting at?
YYY (2:14:21 PM): can you tell me, is there is any research going on for GOD
XXX (2:14:22 PM): No where
XXX (2:15:07 PM): Scientists would never even accept the notion of God existing and how do you expect them to research God?
YYY (2:15:19 PM): atleast did you make any attempt ??
XXX (2:15:20 PM): But if you want you can individually research him
YYY (2:15:36 PM): oh .. my god
YYY (2:15:49 PM): you don't know anything abt god
XXX (2:16:06 PM): I can tell you God exists and I spoke to him today morning but you wont believe it unless you know it personally
XXX (2:16:16 PM): And yes you dont know anything about the origin of matter
YYY (2:16:17 PM): thru phone ?
YYY (2:16:27 PM): do you have his number ?
YYY (2:16:36 PM): do you cann heaven ?
YYY (2:16:54 PM): do you call heaven ?
XXX (2:16:55 PM): Do you really think you're speaking logic?
YYY (2:17:03 PM): LOGIC
YYY (2:17:06 PM): my god
YYY (2:17:16 PM): XXX is speaking abt LOGIC
XXX (2:17:29 PM): Yes YYY too is talking abt it.. My God
YYY (2:17:30 PM): LOGIC says GOD=NOTHING
YYY (2:17:37 PM): do you take it ?
XXX (2:17:47 PM): Logic says something should create something
YYY (2:17:54 PM): It take SCIENCE=NOTHING
XXX (2:17:55 PM): do u take it?
YYY (2:18:00 PM): what abt you ?
YYY (2:18:07 PM): I take it
YYY (2:18:12 PM): science=nothing
YYY (2:18:17 PM): do you take
YYY (2:18:22 PM): god=nothing ?
YYY (2:18:27 PM): by LOGIC
XXX (2:18:37 PM): what do u mean by science is nothing?
YYY (2:19:29 PM): XXX, do you believe in miracles ?
XXX (2:19:45 PM): do you?
YYY (2:19:59 PM): answer me, first
YYY (2:20:04 PM): do you or not
XXX (2:20:07 PM): yes
YYY (2:20:10 PM): ok
YYY (2:20:18 PM): then don't talk abt LOGIC
XXX (2:21:23 PM): ok I never said I believe in logic. But since you believe I asked whether the questions you asked are logical?
YYY (2:24:41 PM): XXX, you are a contradiction
YYY (2:24:48 PM): either you hold
YYY (2:24:53 PM): Miracle
YYY (2:24:57 PM): or hold
YYY (2:25:06 PM): Logic
XXX (2:25:13 PM): ok do u believe in logic?
XXX (2:25:24 PM): Anyway we are deviating from topic
YYY (2:25:27 PM): ha ha ha ...
XXX (2:25:47 PM): You asked me some questions and I asked you whether they were logical
YYY (2:25:54 PM): Science created logic
XXX (2:26:06 PM): And of course u're definition of logic is different from mine
YYY (2:26:17 PM): No way
YYY (2:26:25 PM): Logic is same for all
XXX (2:26:35 PM): No it depends on your belief
YYY (2:26:38 PM): there is no Your Logic and My Logic
YYY (2:27:00 PM): do interchange Logic and Belief
XXX (2:27:01 PM): I believe God is all powerful and all knowing. He can do miracles. And that is logical
XXX (2:27:18 PM): If you belive in God it becomes logical if not it isnt
YYY (2:27:28 PM): Miracle is not Logical
XXX (2:27:44 PM): God does miracle because he has power and this is logical
YYY (2:28:33 PM): how many watt power ?
YYY (2:28:54 PM): you said:XXX (2:17:47 PM): Logic says something should create something
YYY (2:29:17 PM): now you say God can create something without something
YYY (2:29:30 PM): I mean Miracle
XXX (2:29:34 PM): But I said I dont believe in ur opinion of logic
YYY (2:29:47 PM): there is no "opinion of logic"
YYY (2:29:52 PM): there is only Logic
XXX (2:30:01 PM): The power is not measured by watts... It is similar to ur brain power
XXX (2:30:08 PM): hmm
YYY (2:30:10 PM): either you tautologies or contradict
XXX (2:30:17 PM): If God is all powerful he can do miracles
YYY (2:32:00 PM): Brain is a matter XXX
YYY (2:32:12 PM): it has chemical reaction
YYY (2:32:31 PM): what is that "Powerful" means
XXX (2:32:53 PM): Powerful to do anything
XXX (2:33:08 PM): Now if you ask me about Go, I have already told you I dont know.
XXX (2:33:27 PM): I believe he is all powerful all knowing and with that I can logically conclude he can do miracles
XXX (2:33:38 PM): But only you're not trying to admit you dont know
XXX (2:33:45 PM): Mine is a religion I admit
XXX (2:33:52 PM): And yours?
YYY (2:34:08 PM): You mean he is a Super computer who create the world
YYY (2:34:17 PM): and controls all events ?
XXX (2:34:17 PM): I said I dont know
YYY (2:34:28 PM): may be he is ?
XXX (2:34:34 PM): Since you seem to know everything can we talk about yours?

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- Che Guevara (favorite Quote of Karadi)